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Feeling lost and traumatized: Bizarre affair, a "hypnotized" spouse, and trying to survive the aftermath (Seeking advice)

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 Pat77 (original poster new member #87711) posted at 8:52 PM on Sunday, August 23rd, 2026

Hi. I am so happy I found this community.
​I am reaching out because I am completely drowning and desperately need to hear from anyone who has experienced something similar. This happened over a year ago, but the trauma and confusion are still so heavy.

​I was at home taking care of our little kids and working from home at the same time when my husband's betrayal hit me as the absolute breaking point. It started one night when he was out with colleagues. She approached him while he was ordering a drink, and his colleagues left while he stayed at the bar. She grabbed his phone and added herself—and that is how it all started.

​Shortly after, there was a day when he disappeared for hours and came home in a very bad state—even his clothes were inside out—yet bank statements later proved he had only consumed two beers. That bizarre, extreme reaction still doesn't make sense.

​From there, while we had been married for over 20 years, he started going out to see her during work hours, working from her place once or twice a week. Then he would come home, sit at the table, and eat the dinner I had prepared. I remember telling him that I couldn't believe he wasn't interacting with me, his wife, and that he must have someone else—that he was completely different from the day he disappeared—but he flat-out denied it every time. He was acting like a total robot, completely detached and not like himself.

​To give you an idea of how mind-boggling this is, I take care of myself, have a good body, and am considered attractive—making the contrast even more painful. Meanwhile, she and her grown-up daughters were and are on benefits, and she was old, scruffy, with rotten teeth (which, according to him, he avoided kissing with an open mouth) and an ordinary look. It still makes zero sense how he traded me and even wanted to leave us for a woman like that. He later claimed he never actually intended to move in with her and just "didn't know how to end it." I believe he loved the ego boost and attention at first, but things got wildly out of hand when she became demanding—even asking him to act out things like Fifty Shades of Grey, even though he didn't even find her attractive.

​What destroys me the most is the effort he gave her. He would willingly endure a grueling bus ride of over two hours just to be with her, and he obeyed literally everything she asked. Yet he would never put that kind of effort into our marriage.

​He had been keeping me "abroad" in his lies to justify his time with her (like claiming he had to take care of the kids), but eventually, he couldn't keep up the act anymore. When he finally told her I was coming back, she freaked out and demanded he move out because she didn't want him in the same house as me. (He had been telling her we were getting a divorce, which she didn't seem to care about). He tried to stall her, telling her he needed time and would move once the divorce was finalized, and secretly applied for divorce behind my back so he wouldn't look like the bad guy. But I found out about the cheating, and then discovered the secret divorce filing just one week later.

​When his fantasy collapsed, he suddenly decided we didn't need a divorce and claimed he ended it with her—though on the very day I discovered the truth, he actually ran to see her because she demanded it when she found out I knew. I truly believe he was terrified of her.

​In the end, he wanted to stay for our family, our kids, and me, but he has never shown true remorse or made an effort to make it up to me. We tried two therapists: the first saw no interest or regrets from him, and I ended the second because he still showed no effort. Yet, he insists on staying with us, telling me that it's been a long time, that I need to "get over it," and that if I keep complaining maybe we shouldn't be together. It makes me sick to hear.

​I know that if I just stop bringing it up and act like nothing happened, things would be "fine" on the surface, but it is so hard when I carry all this pain.

​We genuinely suspect he was chemically or psychologically manipulated. Those two beers made him act like he'd had ten, he needed ED tablets to perform (even though we never had intimacy issues), and he acted so strange. After it ended, he slowly went back to himself, but I don't know what to think. I struggle so much with my anger and trauma—could this be PTSD?

​Also, one of our therapists, myself, and even my husband himself once mentioned the possibility that he might be autistic. While I am no professional to diagnose him, I have noticed patterns over the years, and looking back, it makes me wonder if neurodivergence played a role in how easily he was vulnerable and trapped.

​Weeks after I found out, he told me: "Thank you for getting me out of this, I didn't even know why I got involved with that person." It seems she just used manipulation to trap him for a good life. Now, he keeps telling me that a long time has passed and that I should just get over it. Because of this, he is cold, distant—worse than he was during the affair. And before the affair, he was never a person who showed much communication, affection, or thoughtfulness, but I had learned to accept how he was without demanding it from him.

​I don't know what to do anymore. Has anyone else dealt with a spouse acting completely hypnotized, facing this kind of bizarre affair, or trying to heal when the straying partner refuses to put in the work? How do I survive this and find a way forward?
Thank you in advance for any support or advice.

(Sorry for the long post)

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Letmebefrank ( member #86994) posted at 3:19 AM on Monday, August 24th, 2026

Pat,

I hope I’m wrong but I doubt anyone’s going to be able to come forward with a similar story. And I think the reason for that is that it’s bullshit.

He wasn’t drugged or hypnotized. I’m not an expert on hypnosis, but…give me a fucking break. That’s not what happened.

He had a limerant affair. There’s a whole thread that’s been active since 2015 called "Honey, they always affair down" https://www.survivinginfidelity.com/topics/558762/honey-they-always-affair-down/
He had an affair with a disgusting woman. He’s the latest in a line of millions.

I think your WH is full of crap. He’s spinning one of the dumbest excuses for an affair that I have heard since that guy blamed his mom.

I’m really sorry for what you’re going through, but the simple truth is that you have a remorseless cheater for a husband who’s trying for force you to choke down a nonsense excuse for cheating. I mean sure, maybe she’s a witch who can hypnotize men into infidelity. Or maybe there’s some infidelity drug that has heretofore never been revealed. But I doubt it. I think your WH is just a garden-variety cheater.

If he isn’t going to put in the work to repair your marriage then your options are pretty limited. I know my post here was uncompromising but you are really really hurt right now, and you’re seeking solace in the wrong places. Nothing mystical happened here. I wish I had better news for you.

Please don’t stay in a marriage like that. You deserve so much better. Show him that you’re heading to the exits, and maybe he will figure out that being an asshole and lying are not the way for him to stay married to you.

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Elica ( member #79932) posted at 3:44 AM on Monday, August 24th, 2026

If he was always non communicative then he can’t be different with this. And yes, even though this has hurt you so much. Perhaps he and you both have never faced something like this before and don’t have the tools to get to the bottom of it? I don’t mean to be presumptuous, just trying to glean from your post.

There are a few books which you can ask him to read to help him understand your perspective. Shirley Glass, "Not Just Friends" is very much about how a spouse is affected by their partners’ inappropriate behavior outside a marriage. It’s a good book, short and to the point, and outlines very obvious things which even an emotionally disconnected person should grasp. Maybe this reading can create a path for empathy for him.

Many wayward spouses really want so much for their extra marital escapade to be over and done with, because it suits them. They don’t comprehend the damage they have done to their spouse, or don’t want to face themselves for doing it. Either way, it’s rug sweeping, you know, when you sweep the dust under the rug so the dirt is hidden but you know it’s still there. It doesn’t work.

Hypnosis has been used to compel people to do something they otherwise wouldn’t, IF IT IS FRAMED IN A WAY WHICH MAKES THEM BELIEVE THEY ARE DOING THE MORALLY RIGHT THING. In other words, you can’t command a person in hypnosis to do something they wouldn’t according to their ethics and standards, they absolutely won’t. But if you can convince them this act is consistent with their standards, they will do it. Utterly frightening but true.

How could she achieved this? Many ways. For example presenting herself as a victim, he the savior. Do you think he is vulnerable to the savior complex? Did she ever threaten her demise if he didn’t follow through in helping her? Do they have emails you can check to see what their communication was like, what the dynamic was like? Why did he feel he was beholden to her and risked everything in his life for this? What kind of void did she fill? Does he recall details of their meetings or is it a blur for him? Does he have memory lapses?

There is an attorney in the US, Michael Fine, who hypnotized his clients, all vulnerable women in the midst of divorce, and compelled them to have sex with him in his office. He is still in jail, convicted for kidnapping because he hijacked their minds. It’s a groundbreaking case but hypnosis is so hard to prove many are not caught. In this case one of his victims wore a camera during an office session and he was recorded hypnotizing her. The police were watching and arrested him. Countless women came forward after. He is an utter monster.

Sometimes cheating is so inexplicable, we look everywhere for an explanation. You need to trust your instincts that something is wrong, whether hypnosis or another vulnerability. Your husband needs to address this with you for a good marriage future. But be prepared, if he was covertly coerced by this woman, then there will be the trauma of violation for him to face too.

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Elica ( member #79932) posted at 4:08 AM on Monday, August 24th, 2026

Letmebefrank,

While you may be completely right in your assessment in what's happening with Pat and her husband, there is in fact a hypnosis drug many people know about and are terrified of:

"Devil's Breath," or scopolamine. Really devastating in it's ability to erase free will.

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 Pat77 (original poster new member #87711) posted at 6:36 AM on Monday, August 24th, 2026

Thank you all for taking the time to reply and share your perspectives. I definitely want to clarify that when I used the word "hypnotized" in quotes, I didn't literally mean a stage show or literal hypnosis! I meant it metaphorically to describe how completely out-of-character, robot-like, and blindly compliant he acted—like a completely different person compared to who he normally is.
​He actually didn't remember much of his time with her overall. Because he is hearing impaired, he can usually struggle with or avoid noisy places, yet he somehow stayed there for hours. Across the affair, his memory of it is a blur—he doesn't really remember much of what happened, only physical sensations like her stroking his arms and giving him care, which makes it feel all the more like he was acting against his own will.

​What makes it even stranger is her background. She had just traveled back to her home country before they met—where certain substances or 'Devil's Breath'-type drugs are known to be used—and she is into witchcraft. Looking back, he was shocked when she told him she had checked where he lived because she didn't want another wife chasing her.(as he had given her a fake address). He missed all these massive red flags at the time—like how he got really bad after just two beers, which is when she lured him to her house with the excuse of getting something to eat. Once there, she tried to take advantage of him, but he couldn't perform because he was extremely passed out.
​What has thrown me so much is the extreme contrast: how someone who is normally so detached and uncommunicative could suddenly endure a grueling two-hour bus ride, obey every single command of someone he didn't even find attractive, and risk his entire 20-year marriage and family for it.
​When I first found out, he was very cooperative. But after a few weeks, he got 'tired' of me asking how he could risk everything for someone like that (or anyone at all), and why he gave her so much attention when he's never given that to me. He admitted he loved the ego boost, but now he just wants to sweep it under the rug, acting cold and distant and telling me to get over it because time has passed.
​It’s just so hard to reconcile the man who claims he was trapped and didn't even understand why he was with her, with the man who now refuses to do the work to help me heal. I really appreciate the book recommendation (Not Just Friends) and the validation about how hard it is when a wayward spouse refuses to face the damage they’ve caused.

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Positivethoughts ( new member #87707) posted at 9:25 AM on Monday, August 24th, 2026

Hi, I was in a sort of similar position to you. I’d describe myself the same way you did, always worked, perfect mum, wife, ate well, went the gym, generally looked nice. The person my husband had the affair with is the same "style" as yours. She’s a lot older, drinks and takes drugs. Had a lot of "dodgey" plastic surgery and dresses like a sex worker. Also I’ve only ever been with my husband, she is known to have split up at least five families the same way mine was. She’s also slept with over 50 people in our area.
My husband acted completely out of character too. He was robot like. Emotionless. Said things he would never say. Everyone around him noticed. So badly I had a secret worry he would do something to himself. I thought he was having some kind of episode.
I have toyed with the idea of witch craft stuff but ultimately I know am just desperate to find a logical excuse for why he would chance me for THAT. I now just believe he was manipulated, am never gonna believe otherwise. But ultimately he should have never let someone in to our relationship in the first place. He disclosed things about me from his own point - she never wants to go out, or she doesn’t initiate sex. Which was then turned into - she can’t love you, she should want all of these things herself. But no one ever considered I was exhausted from looking after two kids alone. There was loads of other things that came about. I just wish he had seen right through her from the beginning instead of being flattered by her attention. Sorry your going through this x

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 Pat77 (original poster new member #87711) posted at 6:45 PM on Monday, August 24th, 2026

Thank you so much for sharing your story, Positivethoughts. It means more than you know to hear from someone who truly understands how disorienting and painful this exact dynamic is.
​It is chilling to hear how similar our situations are—especially the part about them acting robot-like and completely out of character. Like you, I think a huge part of my search for answers comes from that agonizing desperation to find a logical reason for why they would risk everything for that contrast. You hit the nail on the head when you said that ultimately, they should never have let someone in or fallen for the flattery in the first place.
​It is also so painful what you mentioned about them disclosing private things about us to justify it, completely ignoring our reality (like being exhausted from holding everything down at home with the kids).
​Thank you again for the empathy and for making me feel a little less alone in this nightmare. Wishing you healing on your journey too 🩷

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Pogre ( member #86173) posted at 9:08 PM on Monday, August 24th, 2026

I'm neurodivergent, have had opportunities to cheat on my wife, while damn near blind drunk, and didn't do it. Autism doesn't make people susceptible to cheating, but it can make it difficult for someone to pick up on social queues, facial expressions, and body language. Intense special interests, sameness rigidity, stimming behaviors, tactile aversions, and some other quirks or behaviors, but no special susceptibility to affairs that I'm aware of.

Betrayal trauma can take 2 to 5 years to recover from and reconciliation can be a lifetime work in progress. For him to expect you to be over it by now isn't even realistic.

I don't know exactly what's going on with your husband but right now he isn't reconciliation material, imo. He needs to own what he did, answer all of your questions, even if they're the same ones for the hundredth time, and be willing to do anything it takes to save your marriage.

You're absolutely right to not want to rug sweep this. It will just fester and come back even worse down the road.

It took me calling divorce lawyers and setting up consultations right in front of my wife to snap her out of her fog, but that was only a month after d day for me. She's been rock solid ever since and that was over 15 months ago.

Your husband needs to start showing up, own his crap, and start showing you some real remorse or I fear you don't have much to work with. I know that's probably not what you want to hear, but I'd hate to see you suffer another year, or multiple years in this limbo. You deserve better. I'm so sorry you've found yourself here, but this is a good group of folks who know and understand what you're going through.

Hang in there and stay strong. Stick to your guns and don't accept any blame or him telling you you should be over it. That's not true. Not by a longshot.

[This message edited by Pogre at 9:11 PM, Monday, August 24th]

Where am I going... and why am I in this handbasket?

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 Pat77 (original poster new member #87711) posted at 9:51 AM on Tuesday, August 25th, 2026

Thank you, Pogre, for sharing your perspective, especially as someone who is neurodivergent. That makes total sense and really gives me something important to consider.

​To clarify, he is naturally shy and doesn't drink often, but when he does drink, he becomes a completely different person—and she was the one who aggressively took the initiative, targeting him and grabbing his phone while he was out with colleagues.

​She later convinced him to just meet her for a "chit-chat," which somehow turned into him traveling two hours away to meet her. During the affair, he gave her endless excuses, telling her he couldn't do certain things because the mother (he always referred to me that way, never using my name) was "abroad" (a lie) and he had to take care of the kids. And when confronted with his deceit, he actually tried to claim his lies were just "automatic mechanisms" for protection.

​At the end of the day, because she came on close to him and built a bond, he got completely hooked on the attention and validation she was giving him. That is why he went to the effort of getting ED tablets to try to perform with her—even though, according to him, it didn't work properly because he was so out of it, but he was reeled in anyway.

​What has broken me down even more is the aftermath. He gaslighted me, even spinning a narrative to his parents that I was the reason he applied for the secret divorce (which he immediately cancelled the moment I found out). He only told his parents because I demanded he inform them of what he did, but he twisted the narrative so he wouldn’t look bad. He couldn't even clear my name with his own family.

​During counseling, layers upon layers of lies and betrayal just kept peeling off. It was agonizing, especially dealing with the contrast of how much effort he poured into her—traveling far out of his way—while giving me nothing. And now, he expects me to just get over it, acting cold and distant instead of doing the actual work of reconciliation or answering my questions.

​Thank you for your honesty about what true reconciliation looks like and how long trauma takes to heal—though mine feels like it will take forever since he is uncooperative. It validates how unfair it is that he expects me to just sweep this under the rug.

​I know that if I just started all over and acted like nothing happened, things would look "ok" on the surface, and I would never get the kind of attention he gave to his fantasy... but I just can't 😔

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Bigger ( Attaché #8354) posted at 11:07 AM on Tuesday, August 25th, 2026

I have some concerns…

To me a key to recovery is acknowledging the issue and accountability. Like… if I make a mistake the key to preventing a repeat is to understand why I made that mistake and then avoiding it in the future. For example; some decades ago I rear-ended a vehicle at a right-turn at a junction. The reason was because I assumed the vehicle ahead would take the turn, and I was watching approaching traffic. I assumed the vehicle ahead would drive into the gap I saw. Since then, I have ALWAYS kept my eye on the vehicle ahead, and only check traffic once I’m next to take the turn.
This doesn’t guarantee I will never again be in a fender-bender. But it minimizes the risk of a repeat of this one.

If your husband was manipulated, controlled, drugged, hypnotized or given some potent Potion Number Nine or whatever… If this was totally out of his control… then what’s preventing this from happening again? What’s preventing some witch from spreading dried toad-dust over his porridge, or casting a spell that makes him want to have sex with dogs or whatever? After all – he has no control – no accountability?

I also find it concerning that once the first therapist says he cant find any remorse or regret in your husband that therapist becomes the former therapist… Maybe he was on to the key issue…

If this had been a one-off, one-day thing then I could find understanding in someone being date-drugged at a bar and losing control for some period. We have had several such instances on this site over the years. Both males and females that were slipped a mickey and were sexually abused, and/or made to do things they would normally not do. But your husband kept on doing things way beyond the possible effects of any drug.

I think a KEY ISSUE to recovery would be for your husband to acknowledge what he did, and that he did it on his own free will.
He can then try to work out why his "free will" at the time made him do something this harmful. If he can deal with that, he has a chance of making changes to prevent a repeat.
Be warned though – that work won’t be easy for him because it requires acknowledging a lot of accountability and blame.

"If, therefore, any be unhappy, let him remember that he is unhappy by reason of himself alone." Epictetus

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LonelyGuilty ( member #87155) posted at 11:17 AM on Tuesday, August 25th, 2026

Hi Pat,

I am a wayward myself and I post this reply as gently and as respectfully as possible.

Regarding this:

she was the one who aggressively took the initiative, targeting him and grabbing his phone while he was out with colleagues.

​She later convinced him to just meet her for a "chit-chat," which somehow turned into him traveling two hours away to meet her. During the affair, he gave her endless excuses, telling her he couldn't do certain things because the mother (he always referred to me that way, never using my name) was "abroad" (a lie) and he had to take care of the kids. And when confronted with his deceit, he actually tried to claim his lies were just "automatic mechanisms" for protection.

I would urge caution with this narrative. It may be true that she aggressively pursued him, but he is equally responsible. In no way this should diminish his responsibility.

If your WH wants to become a safe partner, he needs to do a huge amount of work on himself, and by moving "responsibility" / blame on the other woman, he is not making himself fully accountable.

He needs to own his actions, take fully accountability and fix himself.

Because giving into the "witch narrative" will not make him reliable should another witch come along.

I wish you all the very best and take care

WW

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 Pat77 (original poster new member #87711) posted at 12:17 PM on Tuesday, August 25th, 2026

Thank you, Bigger, for this blunt and hard-hitting truth. You hit on the exact contradiction that is tearing me apart: if he claims he had zero control and was completely trapped or manipulated, then what on earth stops it from happening again? As you said, if he takes zero accountability, there are zero safeguards.

​Your point about the therapist is also spot on. The truth is, he refuses to do the deep work or face his own accountability because it's easier to claim he was a victim of circumstances, while expecting me to just swallow it and get over it.

​To make matters worse, the lack of real safety is still actively triggering me. Just last week, he called to tell me he was having a beer with a male colleague he's known for 11 years. That exact scenario—having a beer with a colleague—was what he told me the day he met the affair partner. Panic instantly set in, and I called him straight away. He just answered, 'I know, I know.'

​Because of my reaction, he actually took a picture of his male colleague to prove it, and even told his colleague what happened in the past—meaning now I am being portrayed to others as the crazy, controlling, paranoid wife. He even complained to me when he got home, saying, 'I don't know what is wrong with having a beer with colleagues, I can't be trapped like this'—and he even said that in front of our 13-year-old child, who already knows what daddy did and gets anxious too.

​I didn't even make a scene that day. I just went to bed quietly and asked him to sleep in the spare room, which he did. But I am so sick of being made to look like the crazy one when my nervous system is reacting to a trauma he created, with a man who refuses to understand why trust is completely shattered.

​He knows my current boundary: I am staying until the kids are older if I see zero real effort or interest from his side to change or heal. But reading your post makes it painfully clear that without true accountability and ownership of his own free will, there is no real foundation for reconciliation anyway.

Thank you for not sugarcoating it.

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 Pat77 (original poster new member #87711) posted at 12:35 PM on Tuesday, August 25th, 2026

Thank you, LonelyGuilty for your honesty and perspectives—it really is helping me process the harsh reality of this.

​The hardest truth I am wrestling with is that no matter how aggressive she was or how much she pursued him, he is the one who chose to cross the line, make those excuses, and lie. Leaning into the 'witch narrative' or believing he was completely helpless just creates a dangerous loophole—because as you pointed out, if he has no accountability, what happens if another person crosses his path again? He wouldn't be safe.

​The hardest thing to accept is that he was blinded simply because he was getting so much attention and validation. She was scruffy-looking, ordinary, and didn't even look feminine—yet he completely risked his family and everything we built just because she made him feel like a king, ignoring his own family for it. He knew he had ruined everything, and honestly, he never even expected that I would take him back.

​In the beginning, when I was just trying to survive the shock, he found it frustrating that I kept asking questions and wanting to know why he did it, especially with someone like that. For the longest time, he just kept repeating, 'I don't know, I don't know.' The only time he tried to point the finger back at me was when he mumbled something about how I had 'neglected' him. But the reality is, we were both living in that same routine, and he was always cold and uncommunicative even when I tried. I didn't cheat; if he had an issue, he could have talked to me. Instead, he kept everything locked up and then exploded by giving the absolute best, most compliant version of himself to a stranger.

​Now, he expects me to just swallow it, get over it, and accept him getting defensive when my nervous system is triggered (like when he recently went out for a beer with a colleague, throwing me right back into that trauma).

​Reading all of your responses confirms that without true accountability, nothing is safe, and reconciliation is impossible when only one person is trying to carry the weight.

Thank you for not sugarcoating it 🙂

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LittleMonk ( new member #86661) posted at 2:12 PM on Tuesday, August 25th, 2026

What you are describing makes a lot more sense if you stop thinking of the other woman as the drug.

The affair was the drug.

That distinction matters because otherwise people get trapped trying to explain the affair by looking at the affair partner. Was she more attractive? More interesting? Better sexually? More compatible? What did she have that the spouse did not?

Usually the answer is nothing.

The affair itself can provide the reward. The secrecy, the forbiddenness, the transgression, the escape from ordinary identity, the intermittent access, the anticipation, the validation, and the feeling of stepping outside normal life can create an extraordinarily powerful psychological state. The AP becomes the delivery mechanism for that state.

That is why some affair behavior looks almost incomprehensible from the outside. A person will tolerate ridiculous inconvenience, spend hours traveling, take risks that make no rational sense, lie badly, rearrange their entire schedule, and invest enormous amounts of energy in someone they do not even find particularly attractive.

If the reward were simply the person, much of that behavior would make no sense. If the reward is the altered state created by the affair, it starts making considerably more sense.

The two-hour bus ride was not necessarily about how extraordinary she was. It was the price of getting back into that alternate reality. The secrecy, anticipation, risk, and escape were waiting at the other end of the ride.

That is also why people in affairs can appear almost impaired. Their judgment becomes bizarre. They compartmentalize things that would normally be impossible to compartmentalize. They make decisions that seem completely inconsistent with the person their family has known for decades. They can become emotionally flat and robotic at home while simultaneously pouring enormous energy into the affair.

People often call that "affair fog," and the term is useful as long as it is not used to remove responsibility. It describes the altered thinking. It does not excuse the choices made while inside it.

In your husband's case, that is a much more probable explanation than chemical manipulation. His strange behavior, the extreme effort, the willingness to comply with demands, the secret divorce filing, the inability to simply end the affair, and then the gradual return to his normal personality after the affair collapsed all fit that pattern remarkably well.

The attachment piece is probably part of it too. He sounds like he may have a dismissive or fearful avoidant attachment pattern. Fearful avoidance in particular can involve a strange combination of emotional distancing and fawning. Someone can detach from the person closest to them while becoming highly compliant with another person because conflict, shame, rejection, and abandonment feel intolerable.

The result can look completely irrational. The person lies to the spouse because telling the truth feels unbearable. They lie to the AP because disappointing the AP feels unbearable. They keep both relationships going because choosing one would require tolerating the emotional consequences of losing the other. Eventually the lies become so elaborate that they are living inside a reality of their own construction.

Then discovery happens and the whole structure collapses.

That would also explain why your husband later said, "Thank you for getting me out of this. I didn't even know why I got involved with that person." He may genuinely not have understood his own behavior afterward because he never understood the psychological machinery that made the affair so rewarding while he was inside it.

The bigger problem is what happened after the affair ended.

The affair fog lifting does not heal the betrayed spouse.

He feels normal again, so he wants life to become normal again. The source of his altered state is gone, so from his perspective the emergency is over. The conversations about the affair are now uncomfortable, repetitive, and painful, so those conversations start feeling like the new problem.

That is where statements like "it has been long enough" and "you need to get over it" come from. He has escaped the fire while you are still dealing with the burns. Those are two completely different recovery timelines.

Ending the affair removed the thing that was impairing him. It did not remove what the affair did to you.

Reconciliation requires far more than simply ending contact and returning to normal behavior. He has to understand what allowed him to enter that state in the first place. He has to understand the avoidance, the inability to tolerate conflict, the willingness to compartmentalize, the attraction to the forbidden, or whatever combination of factors existed inside him.

Otherwise all he has done is stop taking the drug.

She was forbidden.

The affair was the drug.

- LM BH

"The hardest cage to sit in is the one where you hold the key, knowing exactly what freedom looks like on the outside."

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The1stWife ( Guide #58832) posted at 2:37 PM on Tuesday, August 25th, 2026

My H acted somewhat unlike himself during g the affair. Cold. Mean. Mocking me. Arrogant.

Look up affair fog - it helps you understand how the person you’ve known for years suddenly becomes someone (or something else).

My H never used drugs but during his affair I started to think he did. Turns out he was just your average fun-of-the-mill lying cheating spouse.

Nothing special.

Survived two affairs and brink of Divorce. Happily reconciled. 12 years out from Dday. Reconciliation takes two committed people to be successful.

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 Pat77 (original poster new member #87711) posted at 2:43 PM on Tuesday, August 25th, 2026

Dear LittleMonk,

Thank you so much for this post.
Honestly, reading your perspective is like a lightbulb going off—especially the distinction that the affair itself was the drug, rather than the person.

​It explains the sheer insanity of it all. Looking back, that completely makes sense of why someone normally so detached would endure a two-hour bus ride, chase a massive ego boost, and pour energy into someone ordinary and scruffy just to escape into that altered state. It wasn't about her being a prize; it was about the transgression, the secrecy, and the escape from ordinary identity. It also sheds light on why he later told me, 'Thank you for getting me out of this, I didn't even know why I got involved with that person.' He genuinely didn't understand the psychological machinery he was trapped in.

​And your point about his avoidant patterns and why he lied to everyone—because facing the emotional consequences of anything felt unbearable—hits the nail on the head.

​That said, there are still pieces that make my head spin and keep pushing me to wonder if something chemical was involved. I still don't understand why he needed ED tablets, or why he claims he never finished and they didn't work properly. On top of that, how did he get so completely out of it and high from just two beers? Was it a massive wave of adrenaline from guilt and excitement, or something else entirely? His body's physical reactions and those gaps are what make it so hard to fully reconcile.

​Where everything breaks down, though, is the aftermath, exactly as you described. He escaped the fire, the 'drug' is gone, and now he feels normal again—so from his perspective, the emergency is over. He expects me to just get over the burns and thinks my trauma and my need for answers are the new 'problem.'

​Your explanation brings so much clarity to the psychology of it all, and it really helps me understand the gap between how he processed this and what I am left holding.
Thank you for taking the time to write this out, I appreciate it 🙏

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